{"id":2049,"date":"2010-08-19T16:42:06","date_gmt":"2010-08-19T16:42:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.reefrelieffounders.com\/drilling\/?p=2049"},"modified":"2010-08-19T16:42:06","modified_gmt":"2010-08-19T16:42:06","slug":"national-journal-interview-with-thad-allen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.reefrelieffounders.com\/drilling\/2010\/08\/19\/national-journal-interview-with-thad-allen\/","title":{"rendered":"National Journal Interview with Thad Allen"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>http:\/\/insiderinterviews.nationaljournal.com\/2010\/08\/deepwater-horizons-enduring-le.php<\/p>\n<p>Deepwater Horizon&#8217;s Enduring Lessons<\/p>\n<p>By James Kitfield<\/p>\n<p>At some point in the next week, BP will likely initiate the &#8220;bottom<br \/>\nkill&#8221; procedure that permanently plugs the Macondo well, bringing to an<br \/>\nend the worst maritime oil spill in American history. No more 24\/7<br \/>\nvideo of oil gushing into the Gulf of Mexico. No more weekly tutorials<br \/>\non the intricacies of deepwater oil drilling. No more sludge cloud<br \/>\nshadowing the Obama administration&#8217;s every move in the 2010 summer of<br \/>\ndiscontent. Now only the clean-up and long-term repercussions remain to<br \/>\nsort out.<\/p>\n<p>Perhaps no one has a better first-hand grasp of the Deepwater Horizon<br \/>\ndisaster than retired Adm. Thad Allen, the national incident commander<br \/>\nwho also coordinated the federal response to Hurricane Katrina in 2005.<br \/>\nRecently, National Journal spoke with Allen about lessons learned from<br \/>\nthe crisis and federal response, and how they might affect future<br \/>\npolicy. Edited excerpts from that interview follow.<\/p>\n<p>NJ: How do you respond to critics who say the federal government&#8217;s<br \/>\nresponse to the Deepwater Horizon disaster was too slow given the<br \/>\nmagnitude of the problem?<\/p>\n<p>Allen: Look at the actual timeline. The explosion on the Deepwater<br \/>\nHorizon occurred on April 20th. As commandant of the Coast Guard, I got<br \/>\na call just before midnight that there was an uncontrolled fire on a<br \/>\nrig in the gulf, with an unknown number of people killed and injured.<br \/>\nThat night the Coast Guard evacuated a lot of people from the site of<br \/>\nthe explosion, and we launched a two-day search for the 11 workers who<br \/>\nwere never found, even as we moved lots of equipment towards the site.<br \/>\nThen, early in the afternoon on April 22nd, the entire rig collapsed<br \/>\nand sunk. Hours after the rig sunk, I was in the Oval Office along with<br \/>\n[Homeland Security Secretary Janet] Napolitano, briefing President<br \/>\nObama on our initial response. So I don&#8217;t buy the argument that we were<br \/>\nslow in responding. I certainly didn&#8217;t lean back in the saddle.<\/p>\n<p>NJ: Did you immediately understand the severity of the crisis?<\/p>\n<p>Allen: As events unfolded, the enormity of the problem started<br \/>\nrevealing itself. We weren&#8217;t dealing with a single, monolithic oil<br \/>\nslick like the 11 million gallons that spilled from the Exxon Valdez.<br \/>\nThis was an uncontrolled discharge, with 53,000 barrels each day<br \/>\nspewing in different directions depending on the prevailing winds and<br \/>\ncurrents, creating hundreds of thousands of separate oil slicks. The<br \/>\nUnited States had never dealt with that situation before. Very quickly<br \/>\nwe were forced to spread our assets from the southern Louisiana coast<br \/>\nto the Florida panhandle. That&#8217;s when we realized that the required<br \/>\nresponse was going to dwarf what was anticipated in BP&#8217;s response plan.<\/p>\n<p>NJ: Why did response plans seem so outdated and inadequate to the<br \/>\nmagnitude of the crisis?<\/p>\n<p>Allen: Basically because oil spill response is all predicated on the<br \/>\nlessons of the 1989 Exxon Valdez disaster. The legislation that came<br \/>\nout of that disaster focused on tanker safety and phasing out single-<br \/>\nhull oil tankers, on making sure the party responsible for the disaster<br \/>\nmeets its liability requirements, and on cleanup as directed by the Oil<br \/>\nPollution Act. That was the regulatory scheme established for<br \/>\nresponding to oil spills. However, in the 10 years after that accident,<br \/>\nwhile we were primarily focused on the safety of tankers and the Alaska<br \/>\npipeline, oil drilling was moving offshore and going deeper underwater.<br \/>\nSo the technology changed, and the overall response structure didn&#8217;t<br \/>\nkeep pace with those changes and the emerging threat. You could say the<br \/>\nsame thing about Coast Guard inspection regimes, which we are in the<br \/>\nprocess of rethinking. Right now, for instance, the Coast Guard is not<br \/>\nrequired to approve a company&#8217;s oil spill response plan, because that<br \/>\ngoes through the Minerals Management Service. I suspect that will<br \/>\nchange in the future.<\/p>\n<p>NJ: Given that BP seemed so culpable in causing the disaster, did it<br \/>\nmake sense that the company also had such a prominent &#8212; some would say<br \/>\ndominant &#8212; role in the cleanup effort?<\/p>\n<p>Allen: Well, in the regulatory regime created after the Exxon Valdez,<br \/>\nBP was the &#8220;responsible party&#8221; in both statute and regulation, which<br \/>\nmeant that it had to bear the costs associated with the spill. For that<br \/>\nto happen, however, we had to bring them into the command structure to<br \/>\nwrite the checks for everything from boom to catering. As the<br \/>\n&#8220;responsible party,&#8221; BP was also required to have contractors in place<br \/>\nto clean up the spill, while the government had oversight over that<br \/>\noperation. The public didn&#8217;t understand that arrangement very well. The<br \/>\nnotion of BP having such a key role in the response after seeming to<br \/>\ncause the problem understandably didn&#8217;t sit well, and that relationship<br \/>\nwas tough to manage. BP had divided loyalties, so to speak. It was<br \/>\nresponsible to the public for the cleanup, but at the same time it had<br \/>\na fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders.<\/p>\n<p>NJ: Do you think that divided responsibility should be addressed?<\/p>\n<p>Allen: Well, I think we need to take a very hard look at the role of<br \/>\nthe &#8220;responsible party&#8221; in the command and control of a cleanup<br \/>\noperation after an oil spill. You need someone in the command post to<br \/>\nrepresent the oil industry, but it might be better if they didn&#8217;t have<br \/>\na fiduciary connection to a specific corporation. BP might have taken<br \/>\nthe resources needed for the cleanup and put them into a blind trust,<br \/>\nfor instance, that was administered by a trustee who actually writes<br \/>\nthe checks. That might mitigate the appearance of a conflict of<br \/>\ninterest in the public&#8217;s mind. Ultimately, we need to decide what we<br \/>\nreally mean by &#8220;responsible party&#8221; in these types of situations. It&#8217;s a<br \/>\nvery interesting public policy question.<\/p>\n<p>NJ: Do you think it&#8217;s a problem that the oil industry has a monopoly on<br \/>\nthe technologies involved in deep-sea drilling and oil-well capping?<\/p>\n<p>Allen: By law, the oil companies had to essentially create a capability<br \/>\nin the private sector to respond to oil spills after the Exxon Valdez.<br \/>\nThe decision was made by government to rely on private contractors. As<br \/>\nyou point out, that reliance was most acute at the wellhead, which was<br \/>\nfive miles below the surface of the ocean. There is no government in<br \/>\nthe world that owns the means to do deep-sea drilling. Neither the Navy<br \/>\nnor the Coast Guard had anything like that capability. The technology<br \/>\nwas entirely in the hands of private companies, so the government&#8217;s<br \/>\nrole at that point became one of oversight. An overarching question as<br \/>\nwe look to the future is whether that capability should be solely in<br \/>\nthe hands of the private sector, or do you want some measure of that<br \/>\ncapability in the public sector so that the government can mount an<br \/>\nimmediate response?<\/p>\n<p>NJ: Doesn&#8217;t that question seem all the more important given how little<br \/>\ntime and energy BP spent in preparing an adequate spill response?<\/p>\n<p>Allen: One problem we ran into was that during normal operations, all<br \/>\nof the oil produced in the gulf is shipped back to shore via pipelines.<br \/>\nWhen we had to bring oil to the surface after the accident, there was<br \/>\nno obvious way to transport or collect it. To make that happen, BP had<br \/>\nto bring a floating production system from the North Sea that uses<br \/>\ntankers to shuttle the oil to shore. To bring the oil to the surface,<br \/>\nwe brought in freestanding, floating pipes called &#8220;risers&#8221; that are<br \/>\nused off the shore of Angola. So our solution amounted to the North Sea<br \/>\nmeets Angola in the Gulf of Mexico. Lashing all that together took 85<br \/>\ndays, because none of it had been put together that way in the past. So<br \/>\none lesson we learned is the need for a system like that on day one,<br \/>\nrather than on day 85. The oil companies are already thinking hard<br \/>\nabout such a system.<\/p>\n<p>NJ: How do you respond to critics who say the federal government&#8217;s<br \/>\nresponse to the Deepwater Horizon disaster was too slow given the<br \/>\nmagnitude of the problem?<\/p>\n<p>Allen: Look at the actual timeline. The explosion on the Deepwater<br \/>\nHorizon occurred on April 20th. As commandant of the Coast Guard, I got<br \/>\na call just before midnight that there was an uncontrolled fire on a<br \/>\nrig in the gulf, with an unknown number of people killed and injured.<br \/>\nThat night the Coast Guard evacuated a lot of people from the site of<br \/>\nthe explosion, and we launched a two-day search for the 11 workers who<br \/>\nwere never found, even as we moved lots of equipment towards the site.<br \/>\nThen, early in the afternoon on April 22nd, the entire rig collapsed<br \/>\nand sunk. Hours after the rig sunk, I was in the Oval Office along with<br \/>\n[Homeland Security Secretary Janet] Napolitano, briefing President<br \/>\nObama on our initial response. So I don&#8217;t buy the argument that we were<br \/>\nslow in responding. I certainly didn&#8217;t lean back in the saddle.<\/p>\n<p>NJ: Did you immediately understand the severity of the crisis?<\/p>\n<p>Allen: As events unfolded, the enormity of the problem started<br \/>\nrevealing itself. We weren&#8217;t dealing with a single, monolithic oil<br \/>\nslick like the 11 million gallons that spilled from the Exxon Valdez.<br \/>\nThis was an uncontrolled discharge, with 53,000 barrels each day<br \/>\nspewing in different directions depending on the prevailing winds and<br \/>\ncurrents, creating hundreds of thousands of separate oil slicks. The<br \/>\nUnited States had never dealt with that situation before. Very quickly<br \/>\nwe were forced to spread our assets from the southern Louisiana coast<br \/>\nto the Florida panhandle. That&#8217;s when we realized that the required<br \/>\nresponse was going to dwarf what was anticipated in BP&#8217;s response plan.<\/p>\n<p>NJ: Why did response plans seem so outdated and inadequate to the<br \/>\nmagnitude of the crisis?<\/p>\n<p>Allen: Basically because oil spill response is all predicated on the<br \/>\nlessons of the 1989 Exxon Valdez disaster. The legislation that came<br \/>\nout of that disaster focused on tanker safety and phasing out single-<br \/>\nhull oil tankers, on making sure the party responsible for the disaster<br \/>\nmeets its liability requirements, and on cleanup as directed by the Oil<br \/>\nPollution Act. That was the regulatory scheme established for<br \/>\nresponding to oil spills. However, in the 10 years after that accident,<br \/>\nwhile we were primarily focused on the safety of tankers and the Alaska<br \/>\npipeline, oil drilling was moving offshore and going deeper underwater.<br \/>\nSo the technology changed, and the overall response structure didn&#8217;t<br \/>\nkeep pace with those changes and the emerging threat. You could say the<br \/>\nsame thing about Coast Guard inspection regimes, which we are in the<br \/>\nprocess of rethinking. Right now, for instance, the Coast Guard is not<br \/>\nrequired to approve a company&#8217;s oil spill response plan, because that<br \/>\ngoes through the Minerals Management Service. I suspect that will<br \/>\nchange in the future.<\/p>\n<p>NJ: Given that BP seemed so culpable in causing the disaster, did it<br \/>\nmake sense that the company also had such a prominent &#8212; some would say<br \/>\ndominant &#8212; role in the cleanup effort?<\/p>\n<p>Allen: Well, in the regulatory regime created after the Exxon Valdez,<br \/>\nBP was the &#8220;responsible party&#8221; in both statute and regulation, which<br \/>\nmeant that it had to bear the costs associated with the spill. For that<br \/>\nto happen, however, we had to bring them into the command structure to<br \/>\nwrite the checks for everything from boom to catering. As the<br \/>\n&#8220;responsible party,&#8221; BP was also required to have contractors in place<br \/>\nto clean up the spill, while the government had oversight over that<br \/>\noperation. The public didn&#8217;t understand that arrangement very well. The<br \/>\nnotion of BP having such a key role in the response after seeming to<br \/>\ncause the problem understandably didn&#8217;t sit well, and that relationship<br \/>\nwas tough to manage. BP had divided loyalties, so to speak. It was<br \/>\nresponsible to the public for the cleanup, but at the same time it had<br \/>\na fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders.<\/p>\n<p>NJ: Do you think that divided responsibility should be addressed?<\/p>\n<p>Allen: Well, I think we need to take a very hard look at the role of<br \/>\nthe &#8220;responsible party&#8221; in the command and control of a cleanup<br \/>\noperation after an oil spill. You need someone in the command post to<br \/>\nrepresent the oil industry, but it might be better if they didn&#8217;t have<br \/>\na fiduciary connection to a specific corporation. BP might have taken<br \/>\nthe resources needed for the cleanup and put them into a blind trust,<br \/>\nfor instance, that was administered by a trustee who actually writes<br \/>\nthe checks. That might mitigate the appearance of a conflict of<br \/>\ninterest in the public&#8217;s mind. Ultimately, we need to decide what we<br \/>\nreally mean by &#8220;responsible party&#8221; in these types of situations. It&#8217;s a<br \/>\nvery interesting public policy question.<\/p>\n<p>NJ: Do you think it&#8217;s a problem that the oil industry has a monopoly on<br \/>\nthe technologies involved in deep-sea drilling and oil-well capping?<\/p>\n<p>Allen: By law, the oil companies had to essentially create a capability<br \/>\nin the private sector to respond to oil spills after the Exxon Valdez.<br \/>\nThe decision was made by government to rely on private contractors. As<br \/>\nyou point out, that reliance was most acute at the wellhead, which was<br \/>\nfive miles below the surface of the ocean. There is no government in<br \/>\nthe world that owns the means to do deep-sea drilling. Neither the Navy<br \/>\nnor the Coast Guard had anything like that capability. The technology<br \/>\nwas entirely in the hands of private companies, so the government&#8217;s<br \/>\nrole at that point became one of oversight. An overarching question as<br \/>\nwe look to the future is whether that capability should be solely in<br \/>\nthe hands of the private sector, or do you want some measure of that<br \/>\ncapability in the public sector so that the government can mount an<br \/>\nimmediate response?<\/p>\n<p>NJ: Doesn&#8217;t that question seem all the more important given how little<br \/>\ntime and energy BP spent in preparing an adequate spill response?<\/p>\n<p>Allen: One problem we ran into was that during normal operations, all<br \/>\nof the oil produced in the gulf is shipped back to shore via pipelines.<br \/>\nWhen we had to bring oil to the surface after the accident, there was<br \/>\nno obvious way to transport or collect it. To make that happen, BP had<br \/>\nto bring a floating production system from the North Sea that uses<br \/>\ntankers to shuttle the oil to shore. To bring the oil to the surface,<br \/>\nwe brought in freestanding, floating pipes called &#8220;risers&#8221; that are<br \/>\nused off the shore of Angola. So our solution amounted to the North Sea<br \/>\nmeets Angola in the Gulf of Mexico. Lashing all that together took 85<br \/>\ndays, because none of it had been put together that way in the past. So<br \/>\none lesson we learned is the need for a system like that on day one,<br \/>\nrather than on day 85. The oil companies are already thinking hard<br \/>\nabout such a system.<\/p>\n<p>NJ: As was the case with Hurricane Katrina, there seemed to be<br \/>\nsignificant tensions, disconnects and finger-pointing between federal,<br \/>\nstate and local authorities. Is that inevitable in trying to mount<br \/>\n&#8220;whole of government&#8221; responses to far-reaching disasters? Allen: I<br \/>\nthink these efforts will always be, in some ways, unique and a work in<br \/>\nprogress. Any time there is a gap between what local officials want and<br \/>\nwhat they see being done on the federal level, there&#8217;s going to be<br \/>\npointed discussions about the best way forward. And to paraphrase Tip<br \/>\nO&#8217;Neill, all oil spills are local. They manifest themselves differently<br \/>\nin different places, depending in part on varying types of local<br \/>\ngovernment and political structures. I&#8217;m there to provide unity of<br \/>\neffort, for instance, and the law assumes I interface with state<br \/>\nofficials, who in turn interact with their local officials. In places<br \/>\nwhere you have more autonomous home rule, such as Louisiana&#8217;s parishes,<br \/>\nhowever, the challenge of smoothly integrating federal, state and local<br \/>\nresponses is greater. We also ran into the problem that some of the<br \/>\naffected areas along Louisiana&#8217;s coast were really isolated and<br \/>\ndifficult to get to, and that only added to the complexity of the<br \/>\noperation.<\/p>\n<p>NJ: Would you change methods for estimating the scope of an oil spill,<br \/>\nespecially in light of widespread suspicions that BP and the government<br \/>\nunderestimated the amount of oil dispersed into the gulf?<\/p>\n<p>Allen: I think for any future oil spills we should rely only on<br \/>\nofficial government estimates based on the findings of an independent<br \/>\nteam of scientists. That was ultimately the solution we adopted. There<br \/>\nwas so much angst over how much oil was spilling that I created a flow-<br \/>\nrate technology team of scientists led by the head of the U.S.<br \/>\nGeological Survey. They estimated that the well was spilling 53,000<br \/>\nbarrels a day into the gulf, plus or minus 10 percent. That&#8217;s how we<br \/>\ncame up with the top-line figure of 4.9 million barrels. That&#8217;s a lot<br \/>\nof oil.<\/p>\n<p>NJ: Is it enough oil to cause you personally to question the wisdom of<br \/>\ndeepwater drilling?<\/p>\n<p>Allen: Whenever I&#8217;m asked that question, my reply is the same: That&#8217;s<br \/>\nway above my pay grade. I will say that in this case we had a &#8220;fail-<br \/>\nsafe&#8221; system that turned out not to be fail-safe. So if we are going to<br \/>\ncontinue to allow drilling at 5,000 feet below the ocean&#8217;s surface, on<br \/>\na seabed that only robots can reach and where operations resemble<br \/>\nApollo 13 more than a standard oil drilling operation, then we had<br \/>\ncertainly better know how to deal with another failure if it were to<br \/>\noccur.<\/p>\n<p>NJ: You&#8217;ve had a direct hand in responding to devastating crises<br \/>\nranging from the 9\/11 attacks and Hurricane Katrina to the earthquake<br \/>\nin Haiti and the gulf oil spill. Have you drawn any overriding lessons<br \/>\nabout the nature of government responses to such destructive incidents?<\/p>\n<p>Allen: When considering future responses to big events like these, I<br \/>\nthink we will have to decide on a social contract that spells out what<br \/>\ncitizens can expect from their government. Because the universe of<br \/>\npotential interventions, and the expectations of the citizenry, are<br \/>\nboth growing in ways that outstrip traditional funding sources and<br \/>\nstatutory guidelines. For instance, what&#8217;s the government&#8217;s<br \/>\nresponsibility for dealing with the long-term socioeconomic and<br \/>\nbehavioral health impacts of these events? Nowhere in government<br \/>\nstatute or regulations will you find guidance on how to deal with those<br \/>\nkinds of issues. I don&#8217;t know if a whole society can acquire post-<br \/>\ntraumatic stress disorder, but you definitely see disaster fatigue set<br \/>\nin after these major events. You can see it in the gulf region right<br \/>\nnow. So we as a nation are ultimately going to have to deal with the<br \/>\npublic policy issues raised by these big national traumas.<\/p>\n<p>Special thanks to Richard Charter<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>http:\/\/insiderinterviews.nationaljournal.com\/2010\/08\/deepwater-horizons-enduring-le.php Deepwater Horizon&#8217;s Enduring Lessons By James Kitfield At some point in the next week, BP will likely initiate the &#8220;bottom kill&#8221; procedure that permanently plugs the Macondo well, bringing to an end the worst maritime oil spill in American history. No more 24\/7 video of oil gushing into the Gulf of Mexico. 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